In this article I want to go through several key aspects of Mormonism – from the life of its founder, Joseph Smith, to Mormon practice – and highlight how ridiculous this recent American religion is. The Mormons are also known as the Latter Day Saints (LDS). (On a side note: I was also glad to find out that Mormons could appreciate the humour and satire in Matt Stone and Trey Parker’s musical, The Book of Mormon, so we can at least give them credit for being friendlier and less abusive than the Christians who boycotted Jerry Springer: The Opera and Monty Python’s The Life of Brian).
Mormon cosmology, or the Mormon view of the universe, says that the Earth is not unique, but one of many inhabited planets. This, in itself, is not a very controversial or ridiculous idea, except that each planet has been created and designed by Jesus to bring about eternal life for humanity. In Mormonism, it was Jesus who created the universe, his dad, God the Father, lived on Earth as a human. (The pre-mortal Jesus in Mormon theology, who created the universe, is called Jehovah).
In Christian theology, it is believed that the Mother Mary gave birth to Jesus without the need for sexual intercourse. In Mormon theology, however, since God the Father (who is also called Elohim) walked the Earth in mortal form, God physically had sex with Mary so that Jesus could be born in mortal form. I’m not sure why God had to have sex with Mary – couldn’t Jesus, being the creator of the universe, just have manifested himself in human form? I suppose Joseph Smith was just a little bit obsessed with sex, hence his emphasis on the importance of polygamy. Another reason why Mormon cosmology is a bit silly relates to the belief that these other worlds will have inhabitants who are similar or identical to humans. You don’t really get more anthropocentric than that. In Mormon teaching, it is even suggested that key events in human history, such as the tempting of Adam and Eve by Lucifer the snake, have taken place on other planets as well.
God himself, Elohim, also procreated with his many wives on these different worlds, and this acts as a theological justification for the Mormon practice of polygamy. These wives then gave birth to “spirit bodies” who became the sons and daughters of God – looks like God is a bit of a player! God eventually provided an Earth for these spirit children in which they could take on a physical form and prove to God that they would choose a life of righteousness through the exercise of free will. Jehovah volunteered to be the Savior, who the spirit children would accept in order to achieve salvation. In the Mormon picture of the afterlife, an individual gets to live with God forever (described as the greatest gift imaginable) if they unite with a “celestial” partner of the opposite sex either on Earth or after death in a celestial temple. So if you want to live for eternity beside a horny, polygamous God, you will have to be married to one woman, forever. Sounds great.
Up until 1978, the Mormon Church was also explicitly racist. From 1849 to 1978, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) banned blacks from the priesthood and banned black men and women from taking part in LDS ceremonies. Brigham Young, the 2nd leader of the LDS after Joseph Smith, asserted that the reason black people have black skin is that they have received the Curse of Cain (Cain, one of Adam and Eve’s children, murdered his brother, Abel). Blacks were descendants of Cain and had, therefore, received his “mark” or “curse” – having this innate defect meant they should not be allowed to take up priesthood within the Mormon Church. In the Journal of Discourses (1854-1886), Young writes:
You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind …. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings. This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race—that they should be the ‘servant of servants’; and they will be, until that curse is removed; and the Abolitionists cannot help it, nor in the least alter that decree.
You don’t really get more racist and pro-slavery than that. As a Mormon, it’s just a bit embarrassing to have these views expressed by one of the early leaders of your religion. Prior to 1978, it was also taught that blacks could enter heaven (at least they get some reward), but as eternal servants to God (oh, I guess not). Part of the justification for this racial discrimination came from the belief that black people’s pre-mortal spirits were inherently less virtuous than pre-mortal white spirits. Nice.
According to Mormon doctrine, Jesus travelled to North America after his crucifixion. How did he get there from Jerusalem? Who knows – maybe he walked, flew or teleported. In any case, Jesus taught his gospel in ancient North America (supposedly to the Native Americans) and healed the sick. It seems unlikely that the Native Americans would have abandoned their long-standing wisdom tradition, indicated by the fact that Native American Mormons are unheard of! Mormons also believe that when Jesus returns to Earth, he will specifically return to Missouri, USA, in order to reign for 1,000 years. Mormons believe that American Indians are descendants of ancient Jews (which can be disproved by genetic analysis) and Joseph Smith taught that the original Garden of Eden was located in Missouri.
Another reason why Mormon is ridiculous and embarrassing is based on the life of its founder, Joseph Smith. In 1819, Smith was involved in something called scrying. This is the practice of looking into a translucent ball, or other material, in order to receive spiritual visions. The stones that Smith used were called “seer stones” and he used them to receive revelations from God – ‘revelations’ that he would eventually use to found the LDS or Mormon Church. Smith practised scrying by putting the stone at the bottom of a hat and putting his face over the rim of the hat in order to block the light. Local residents would pay Smith for revealing insights that would be relevant to their life. In 1825, Joseph Smith, along with his male family members, were involved in treasure hunting. Smith was hired to use his ability in ‘crystal gazing’ to look for precious metals, such as silver and gold. Unsurprisingly, Smith found nothing. In 1826, Smith was arrested and brought to court for being an “imposter” and for committing fraud. There is no doubt that Smith was an obvious con-man, charlatan and trickster.
While working as a treasure hunter, Smith claimed to have uncovered “golden plates” situated on top of a hill near his home. In Smith’s own account, an angel named Moroni visited him and told him about the golden plates which contained the gospel preached by Jesus to the Native Americans. In one account, Smith located the mysterious location of the golden plates using one of his seer stones. According to Smith, the plates “had the appearance of gold” and were engraved in ancient Egyptian. No-one ever saw the plates directly, except Joseph Smith, yet his family believed his account of them and were admitted as members of his new Church. The plates were hidden and moved to various locations, but there is no evidence that they ever existed – it seems like Joseph Smith the con-man did a pretty good job of fooling everyone.
A strange practice of Mormonism is the wearing of “temple garments”, more commonly known as “magic underwear”. They are a type of underwear worn by the majority of Mormons both day and night and when in a Mormon temple. They are supposed to be symbolic of the covenants made in the temple ceremonies and are seen by many to be protective against evil spirits. Another unusual practice in Mormonism is the baptism of the dead. This involves baptising someone who is alive on behalf of someone who is dead. The LDS Church teaches that baptism is required to enter the Kingdom of God and that the deceased can either accept or reject the baptism. This practice has created some controversy – the LDS Church has baptised thousands of Holocaust victims, for example, which Holocaust survivors and Jewish organisations have found deeply offensive, both to the living and the dead. Anne Frank was one of those who was vicariously baptised.
OK, so, what's the embarrassing part?
Mormonism has a history of racism, fraud, baptism of holocaust victims, magic underwear and obvious historical inaccuracies. I think that's pretty embarrassing.
I don’t know where you find the history of racism, or baptism of holocaust victims embarrassing our church welcomes anyone that is willing to join. Even you, absolutely hating on our religion would welcome you with open arms and you could learn about our church and leave this entire stupid article behind. If not, you and that person that liked this comment can go jump in a ditch.
I find it so odd that Christianity, that supposedly has its roots in compassion, is always the first religion to resort to violence when not having their way. “Jump in a ditch”? Surely we can communicate without threats.
Islam and Juche exists:
Luma: Christianity always resorts to violence!
Opps just noticed I already responded…..
sorry.
The Bible and the Mormon does not align with each other at all. Mormonism is very false compared to the God of the Bible.
Wow, Sam is just saying his views and you respond in threats of violence? If my God my religion told me I had to wish or suggest violence to another, I would be looking for a new religion.
PS. Women are not even allowed in certain rooms in the Mormon church, because “we are not holy enough.” So there goes your theory of “welcome arms”…
So what about all the murders the Mormons committed throughout history?
Go jump in a ditch is un-Christian. Mormonism is a false religion masquerading as Christianity
“ magic underwear” 😂😂😂👍🏽
l was young and at a naked hot springs once, and a Mormon guy got in with his ( I thought) “long John’s” on. And I remember trying to make him feel less embarrassed of his “shyness” by telling him how I loved long John’s and understood why he was attached to them, and he never said anything, just ignored me. The rest of us were enjoying the waters sensuality and rubbing off our old skin, and l felt so sorry for him ( especially when he had to get dressed over them wet, when he got out). When he left others there explained to me the funny religious tradition around it. I REALLY felt sorry for him after that! 🙄
Almost like Scientology, strange how both Churches are full of rich people who move the wheel with money but yet they both believe in nonsense, ridiculous stuff.
All of it.
If things had stopped there, there would be nothing embarrasing about the story. What is embarrasing is that grown ups have this guy as their prophet. Maybe they are not so grown and prefer to live as kids who are told what to do. Embarrasing is that have to pay to live like this. Embarrasing is their pride, same pride held by the naked emperor. Pride is their worst sin and then comes Lie. Aint that embarrasing for a religion that claims to be the only true one? Lies and Pride, there you are
Dude you are so wrong. Your viewpoint on our religion is skewed. Our religion is not based on lies and pride, that is YOUR perspective and YOUR mistake.
The book of mormon and the Bible cannot both be true the same time.
says who?
GOD.
I have been deep into the lds,even gone through the temple rituals ,and did baptisms for the dead,and after years of investigation,there is no doubt that Joesph Smith is a fraud and this religion is completely false.
Seems quite harmless compared to most religions.
Catholics and other Christians – basically cults of a Jewish zombie. Long history of pogroms against Jews, wars among sects, the Spanish Inquisition and the most recent child molesters club.
Jews (at least modern day): land grab from Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza.
Muslims: followers of an illiterate, pedophile warlord. Mostly illiterate and invariably (i.e., in each Muslim country) host to at least some super-violent sub population.
By comparison, Mormons are saints. 🙂 Silly, sure, but mostly harmless.
Yeah you need to do some more research on the Mormons… They were part of many massacres.
Victims of massacres if that’s what you mean by part of. Because technically that is part of one. People haven’t changed a bit towards Mormons, less hostile, maybe but still hate them about as much.
Your viewpoint on muslims is quite inaccurate. Most foundational knowlegde in regards to mathematics, science and medicine has come from the golden age of Islam. The current situation in most predominently muslim countries is due to radicalization and colonial occupation. Furthermore, the assumption that the “Illiterate pedophile warlord”, is highly inaacurate as well. Though Mohammad (PBOH), was illiterate, he was a highly respected merchent from the Quraiysh tribe, and his youngest wife, Aisha, was actually 19 when her marriage was consummated. Within the hadith, Aisha says she was aware of both her parents’ conversion to Islam and the persecution of Muslims in Mecca. This latter event is well documented and dated: After the prophet spent three years privately preaching the Quran, he began spreading the religion publicly in 615 CE, and the backlash quickly followed. Yet Aisha’s marriage to the prophet was not until the 15th year of this mission, a full 12 years later. If she were aware of the early persecution at the time it was happening, she could not have been under 15 years of age when she was married — and is likely to have been even older.
No religion is perfect because no human on this Earth is perfect. There have been many atrocious atheists that killed the most amount of people in human history like Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Il-Sung and Hitler being an agnostic.
Err… i think Hitler was a ‘christian’.
We all exaggerate and make up stories, but the difference is that we grow up.
Most of the problems of the world have been caused by religion. Think of the crusades, the inquisition, the dark ages, the witch burnings, the restrictions on learning, free speech, instilling guilt and shame into children, and the wars fought in the name of religion.
More recently, think of family planning clinic bombings, oppression of gays and non-believers, murders of doctors and homosexuals, imposition of religious beliefs by force of law, and illegal use of public funds to promote particular religions.
Mankind will never truly be free until the black yoke of religion is lifted by the clear light of truth and rational thinking.
I don’t think we need to throw the baby out with the bath water. Being rational is the opposite of the core of religion ( compassion).….two extremes. There is a middle ground of one finding what gives their life meaning, and faith. The experience of inner knowing is possible by irrational experience. I cherish that part of me that understands that mind is interconnected with all mind and that my consciousness is eternal and evolving with purpose. It is much more accessible when God is not seen as a male. That linear pyramid themed religion does not allow for wholistic approach. We must not loose our roots…. What we want from religion…compassion…..not politics.
This is so true, but I don’t think it’s “religion” in general that’s bad. I think it’s patriarchal religions that are the problem. When one has a linear assention based believe system they are on a solo quest of power over others in its path. There is no cooperation and compassion. More feminine religions have very little violence.
'There is no doubt that Smith was an obvious con-man, charlatan and trickster.'
I think that you meant to say that there is no doubt in your mind. Furthermore, if Smith was such an 'obvious' con-man, then I guess there wouldn't be some 100 religious sects that view him as a prophet & etc. So really, there is 'no doubt' that he was not an *obvious* con-man.
Really, I'm sympathetic, if your point is that you don't believe in Mormonism. But, I wonder why it seems necessary to exaggerate the case against him? Perhaps you realize that there are experts in Mormon history and scholars and smart people and such who somehow, having been introduced to the facts and all, nevertheless manage to be believing Mormons. This is a puzzle. Indeed, even to me, it is a puzzle. I'm not a believer. But I believe even less in your objectivity.
He literally got caught conning people, arrested and jailed. He is by definition a con-man.
Fact and religious belief should never be uttered in the same statement.
Daniel i think the person here is. Just pointing things that the lds church have done and then they the church claim by their own leaders they are rhe most perfect church and the book of mormon is the most correct book without errors they belittle the bible and most of their early leaders erza snow orson pratt joseph fielding smith brigham young have made insulting statements against biblical christianity for the last 1800 years unit joseph smith shows up and supposely restores it and the meadow massacre in utah in 1857 the mormon church killed 145 innocent people because they through they were from the same place as the mob who killed joseph and hiram smith in that jail in 1844
So i see what the author is saying but yes i would say it in a different way. To be more objectionable
I think what we can get out of this blog is
That joseph smith was know as a story teller making strange stories involving the native americans and he was jailed for peep stoning the act of putting a stone in your hat and putting your face against the hat to block the light and seeing and finding stuff and yes we can say joseph smith had strange rituals baptism by proxy for dead loved ones
And for 40 years the lds church practiced polygamy till 1890 something so that utah territory could became a state and yes god did not have any relations with mary the bible is clear the holy spirit overshadowed
Her and she concieved jesus who took on flesh and their are not spirit children floating around waiting to receive bodies and the whole thing of blacks being denied any rights in the lds. Church until 1978 shows why very few blacks are members of thier church i think the heart of the matter is yes one person named anonymous said in his post harmless in what way that they are not are not a threat to the general public meaning dangerous yes but what about the lifes of people in their cult how many people were hurt by the lies and deception of the lds church over 188 years since its existence
I’m a little late to the party here, by how does a person’s success somehow dictate undeniable and infallible truth? Let’s put this into an objective logic equation:
If True and True, then the statement is True.
Example: “Joseph Smith was successful with many followers, so he was not a con man.”
Argument: True and True, so True—JS was not a con man.
Let’s replace this with some alternate information.
Example: “There have been many successful con men with many followers, so they were not con men.”
Argument: True and True, so True—known con men were not actually con men.
In our second example, these cons were all exposed and prosecuted eventually—just like Joseph Smith’s. This means the second half of the statement is false, therefore: If True and False, then False. Con men were indeed con men regardless of their success of follower count. Success does not objectively create truth. I’m sure the large number of participants in the Salem witch trials believed they were doing the right thing, and they were quite successful at murdering innocent women and children. Did that make their beliefs true? No. Not even remotely. Slavery, genocide, war, sports, etc. The list goes on—take your pick. Success and following do not equal true (or even morally righteous) practices or beliefs.
Do people still invest in and fall for cons? Yes. Do people still believe JS’s original cons? Yes. Does that make the original cons (or the continuing practice of them) true? No, not at all.
Objectively, the history of Mormonism and its belief set is inconsistent, muddled, and baseless at best. Objectively, current Mormon/LDS practices are massively inconsistent with its own beginnings, and it is constantly at odds with its current teachings (which are regularly reformed).
If you want to ignore basic logic and history and believe in whatever you want to believe, that’s no one else’s business but your own. You have that right. That said, you can’t expect people to do the same just because you don’t want to exercise logic and critical thinking (which EVERYONE should do with everything all the time, regardless of belief or position). Beliefs do not make anything true. I can believe that everyone loves me if I want, but it is far from the truth. Pull the blinds over your eyes as much as you like.
P.S. Bias in research is an instant disqualifying factor. You absolutely, 100%, cannot have “experts in Mormon history and scholars and smart people and such” who are at the same time followers of that religion or belief system. The bias overwrites any ability to perform truly objective analysis. Obviously no one is going to openly and actively discredit their own beliefs, regardless of how much evidence is presented to them. They’ll find a way to justify it psychologically, thereby making all of their research and statements logically fallible. If you find independent sources that are not funded by, involved with, or otherwise influenced by the study in question, then please present them. I, for one, have not seen any independent researcher be convinced by any religion in any region. All religions think they’re the one and only true religion.
Ok, lets run with this. Where did Joseph “The Con Man” Smith get the papyri that was used for the Pearl of Great Price? He bought it off of a traveling salesman that was peddling Egyptian Mummies and burial scrolls. Hmmm…. Egyptian Mummies… Burial Scrolls… They kinda go together. Joseph “The Con Man” Smith said that they were the Book of Abraham, etc…
He said it was written in reformed Egyptian. Do your homework, every Egyptologist says that the scrolls are nothing more than funerary texts that talk about the “MUMMIES”!
If this was reformed Egyptian, then there are tens of thousands of other “reformed Egyptian” scrolls out there because all of the funerary texts use the same characters to describe the “MUMMY”.
There is nothing special about the funerary texts that Joseph “the Con Man” Smith bought with the mummies.
What Joseph “the Con Man” Smith didnt realize is that there was something called the Rosetta Stone that allowed the Egyptian language to be translated. If Joseph “the Con Man” Smith had realized that the Rosetta Stone basically proved that he was a liar and a con man… he would have never went down that rabbit hole.
We can get into the Kinderhook Plates and how Joseph bought into those hook line and sinker and how the LDS church still beleived in them long after Joseph “the Con Man” Smith was sent to hell!. Times and Seasons May 1, 1843, Vol. 4 Page 186-187 or Improvement Era Sept. 1962 Ed., or when the LDS church hired Professor D. Lynn Johnson to test the plates to prove that they were real, or the History of the Church Page 372.
I can go on and on. It is easy to pull back the curtain of bullshit that is the basis of the Mormon Religion.
It is impossible for the Bible and the Book of Mormon to both be true!
You do realize the book of Mormon or the “magic gold plates” as you people call them were written when people spoke that language, and eventually migrated to America thus creating plates In Egyptian.
Half the stuff you said isn’t true, and the stuff you did get right wasn’t the full truth
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Would you be able to offer some examples of where I went wrong and where I missed out some key info?
Try erasing the entire thing and re writing that. It might be a little better. Quit hating on Mormons with all this bull shit
Most of the stuff in this post is inaccurate, and some of it is completely in the wrong place. I don’t know what compels you to write articles criticizing my religion, or anyone else’s for that matter. And about african americans and the priesthood, men make mistakes. That is a given. you can be biased by the thoughts and thinking of your time. It is hard to explain and even I don’t fully understand it. Personally, I interpret it as a mistake because I can think of no reason that god would keep his children from anything. Also consider the fact that a lot of this information you might be finding is written by people who hate our church and want others to hate it just as much. Do you really believe that they wouldn’t stretch the truth, or even outright lie? Anyways, I would resolve that about 26% of the things you said are technically true, but twisted into an extremely unfavorable view of our religion, making us look like a perverted cult of idiots.
To conclude, I don’t necessarily hold anything against anyone here, because much of this is to be blamed on misinformation. If you are making us look bad on purpose, then where does that leave you? you say you are promoting truth while openly lying. How does this make you any better than the supposed “Joseph the con man Smith?” Not trying to criticize you, simply pointing things out.
Have a great day!
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I appreciate you leaving your comment. You may have noticed this is quite an old post, and I haven’t revisited it since posting. You say that most of the stuff in the post is inaccurate but didn’t mention any examples. Would you mind pointing out the main points that you found were wrong/distorted? I genuinely want to make sure the information I have gathered is correct and to get a Mormon’s perspective. Also, since it’s an old post, it’s likely that had I written it today, the tone/approach would be different. It’s also possible I wouldn’t have written it in the first place (since I am generally less interested in criticising religions and more interested in understanding them).
There are so many things that make mormonism a cult. It’s clear as daylight. As a Christian I understand this. Mormons used to practice polygamy which if you take a look in the Bible NOT THE BOOK OF MORMON, you see that having more than one spouse is very bad. It didn’t work out for Jacob, Rachel, and Leah. It didn’t work out for the first mormons either. Also, another thing the Bible says that if “And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” (Rev. 22:18–19.). And mormons have a whole Book of Mormon! They call it another “testament to Jesus Christ! Well its not! Mormons essentially follow a false Jesus. There are so many other things that make mormonism a cult. Just read about it.
Thank you in advance for the opportunity to give my opinion here. There is simply no room for so many lies, plagiarism and distortions of the real world that the LDS Church has committed with impunity. The LDS Church never apologized for supporting Nazism (according to David C. Nelson) and imposing 126 years of racial Apartheid, defying Civil Rights that were so important to the black American community. The church/corporation should be its real name, as it is the accumulator of $130 billion spent on shares on the Stock Exchange, never to feed the hungry in the world. All this at the expense of the members. A church that never had the courage to look at the Parable of the Rich Young Man, nor even consider the scripture James 1:27 and Acts 17:24, respectively saying that the only religion is charity and God would never dwell within churches or temples. Do we need anything clearer than that? Firstly, Apocalypse is not even about the end of the world, as the Book of Revelations is about Nero, war against the Jews, Roman colonization, all inspired by Persian culture, never having to do with us, as it would be a serious anachronism! From Zoroastrianism (which inspired the invention of Apocalypse) comes, for example, the concept of paradise (pairidaeza) and greatly influenced the Jewish religion, during the exile in Mesopotamia, such as the prohibition of the worship of sacred images (the entire text of Isaiah in the Bible is of Zoroastrian root). Therefore, liars and cynics are Mormons until the last page of the Book of Plagiarism or Book of Mormon invented by a 19th century treasure hunter who even slept with a 14-year-old girl. The Book of Mormon is a tightly woven patchwork whose stories were drawn from several other books of Smith’s time, including (1) the doctrine of the Three Kingdoms of Glory, (2) Visit of an Angel whose Light is Greater than the Sun and (3) Celestial Marriage, three ideas taken from the theories of Emanuel Swedeborg, whose legacy Sidney Rigdon knew well! After all, he was raised in the same small American town where the Swedenborgians gathered. There is no restoration of any church, because Jesus NEVER CREATED ANY PRIMITIVE CHURCH, BECAUSE HE WAS A JEW AND THAT WAS NO PROBLEM FOR HIM! Sorry to type in capital letters, but it takes a certain amount of effort or indignation in the face of so many religious hoaxes invented to rob the unwary. In short, the West, engulfed by violent and usurping Christianity, in all its versions, needs more education, awakening from the induced mental coma that it finds itself in by believing in the extreme right and allowing tithes to be collected with the promise of Eternal Life! In other words, we want less delirium and much less submission to the American culture that creates empty heads. Thank you for your attention I am a Brazilian who fortunately woke up to see how much I was deceived by the LDS Church and, thanks to Science and scientific research, I was able to find ways to understand that all this religious deception impelled me to try to become someone more lucid. I hope that other people who have not yet managed to wake up from this sleep are strong and mature enough to rise up on their own and become free from religious ties.
While I understand your perspective and frustrations with organized religion, particularly with the Latter-day Saints (LDS) Church, it’s important to note that not everyone shares the same negative experiences. Many individuals find great comfort, meaning, and a sense of community in their religious beliefs. While you’ve listed various historical issues and theological concerns, it is essential to recognize that religions can evolve and progress over time, addressing past wrongdoings and making improvements to better serve their followers.
Firstly, it is not entirely accurate to label an entire religion or its believers with blanket statements. While there have been controversial actions and policies in the past, it doesn’t necessarily mean that all members of the LDS Church supported or were directly involved in these issues.
Moreover, the church’s financial assets are not solely dedicated to investing in the stock market but also contribute to providing humanitarian aid, supporting community development, and assisting members in need. Some individuals appreciate the transparency and financial stability that comes with a well-managed religious organization.
Regarding your concerns about the Book of Mormon and its origins, it’s important to respect the beliefs of others even if you disagree with them. Many members of the LDS Church believe the book to be a sacred text, and while there may be alternative theories regarding its creation, it holds significant meaning and value to those who follow its teachings.
Lastly, it’s essential to acknowledge that religion and spirituality can coexist with a commitment to science and education. Many people find ways to harmoniously integrate both aspects into their lives. It’s vital to maintain a respectful and open-minded dialogue when discussing these topics, as everyone’s journey and experiences with faith are unique and personal.
I’ve lived in Utah and Idaho and know lots of LDS. And 99% of them are very kind nice people, at least when you first meet them, but as you get to know them things get really weird. If you don’t convert you are dropped by “friends” you have had for years (like a hot potato) over night for no reason. ( my suspicion is they only invest so much time in trying to convert before they gave up and are told “enough is enough”).
They would come to hot springs where I visited in Utah, and try and gather me and my possessions up to “save” me from the men who were there to soak in the water. As if all men were rapists. When I refused to go they insinuated that I was immoral. Which I found really weird.
Also in all of my life almost 70 years, of living in 7 countries, and many places, I’ve never had so many married men try to have sex with me as the LDS men. And lm stunned at how many of their wives encourage this. I had one creeping in my bedroom window even when I was in my 50s! (Can’t blame that on his hormones) These men are obsessed with having their egos flattered by women submitting to them and they don’t give up easily.
I’ve lost respect for that church. If there are worst churches lve not run into them yet. The JWs have the highest rates of childhood sexual abuse of any religion so they MUST be worse, but since I never saw it with my own eyes ( just statistics) I can’t say I’ve seen” it. But the LDS, I’ve much more than I wanted to.
All Mormons are the biggest losers on this planet. I should know I grew up in the Mormon church and my whole family is all Mormons. The most selfish self-centered people who have ever existed and I make sure to let them know all the time that they are all going to end up in HELL with their hero Joseph Smith if they don’t change their ways! But they are deaf dumb and blind to the real truth that the real Prophet was born into their own family but they will never accept me as the truth because they are so caught up in the Demon Joseph Smiths lies.
Yes I believe you are the chosen one
American TBM are just another breed of crazy, other nationalities like Africans, asians and ,SE Asians have a different outlook on how this religion is, these nationalities are more chill compared to the American TBM, especially now that there are lots of american missionaries that got sent home early in my area for bad conduct (i mean sexual conduct, disrespectful, and outright superiority complex towards other nationalities) cant blame them though these young men were straight out of highshool and still developing and had culture shock when they came to my country but that still dont explain the lack of personal space and they just go into your face overpreaching their gospel while japanese and filipino missionaries are just more understanding and chill they know how to read the room and understands the situation of the investigators unlike the americans.
The Mormon story is almost as ludicrous as the Scientologist, but a lot crazier than the magic Christian Jesus. Mormonism is an embarrassment and such religions continue to baffle me. How can any sane human being over the age of 12 believe these demented stories including supernatural golden plates which contain God’s word, yet only Joseph Smith can see and read them. My God, how stupid are these people.
And for equal time, the big problem i have always had with Christianity is that Jesus used incredible miracles to get his religion started, but there are no proven miracles today. Its not a fair religion. And don’t tall me about the face of Jesus in a pumpkin pie or a statue crying tears of blood. If I saw real miracles like Lazarus, the bread and fish, and extra wine at a wedding performed by the Pope, bishops, or priest I might believe, but until then I will take my chances. And yet that does not even take into account the hypocrisy, the hate, the misogyny, the killings, and the wars that have been propagated by the church. All in all can you honestly say that the church has done more good than bad since Jesus was crucified.
And don’t get me started on the Muslim faith….
I utterly despise how people hate on our religion so much. I am a member of the church of Jesus christ of latter day saints myself, and I have been for my whole life, and in my entire life, I have never heard any of these lies. I don’t know where people hear any of this crap but I can guarantee that nothing about this is true. We believe in the Bible and the book of Mormon. They are both true and are both equally important to our religion. Joseph Smith was just a young man that wanted to be baptized into a church he knew was true. He prayed and was chosen to find the plates of gold and translate them and restore Jesus Christ’s church. If you really want to know the truth about Mormons as you call us can go to the church of Jesus christ of latter day saints and learn what we really practice and believe. And all these beeping people and whoever Sam Woolfe is can go jump in a lake.
Joseph Smith was an child molester who married underage girls and didn’t bother to tell his wife about it till he had already been “sealed” to a few other young girls. (Average age of marriage in U.S. was 24 at that time so don’t say it was common). Joseph was jailed for violating the first amendment rights of the actual scribe who wrote the Mormon bible. He was publishing a newsletter with all of the sins and lies Joseph had been going on about and Joseph could not have that so he destroyed the printing press. So basically you pray and pay to a child molester who fondled a pebble in a hat to come up with a bs story only someone as dumb as you could believe.